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I did not see that coming.  Not the reveal of Ben's man on the boat (nicely executed, even if we all had figured it out already).  No, what blew me away was the revelation of the Oceanic 6 and the fate of Sun and Jin.

Damn lost for choking me up again.  The Jin/Sun relationship has been one of the show's most endearing.  Realizing that Jin had somehow died, never getting to see his child, and leaving Sun alone, well, that one left a big monkey fist in my throat.  We don't know how Jin dies (perhaps as an Oceanic 6 celebrity, he does a some drunk driving*) but we know it will happen at some point.  Was it as they were leaving the island (in next week's episode) or sometime after?  Whatever the case, I think we know who the last two members of the Oceanic 6 are, and they aren't Michael and Walt. 

Nice to see Hurley fly over to Korea and be there after Ji-Yeon's birth, then go to the cemetery.  The Bernard/Jin scene was lovely.

MIchael.  Or Kevin Johnson.  Like I said, it seemed to become pretty obvious he was Ben's man on the boat., but I thought the creepiness of the way this scene was executed was done well.  Where is Walt?  It will be interesting to see the next episode, apparently a Michael-centric flashback.

Totally expected Regina to live longer but that was a hell of a way to die.  The sickness stuff is fascinating me. 

The captain was surprisingly less gruff than I expected him to be.  "Surprisingly forthcoming" as Sayid said.  I want to know why everyone, including Michael, is saying "Don't trust the captain."  Not just Michael or the doctor, but also Frank Lapidus (who's opinion, at this point, I trust a bit more).  I'm still holding out that the "planted plane" isn't actually a plant, but is more of an Orchid station effect, a duplicate plane.  (The major problem with that theory is that Matt Parkman wasn't wearing his ring.)

Juliet was a bitch but I suppose she saved Sun's life.

All in all, a bit of a heart-wrenching, solid episode.  I'm sad, and I'm excited to see what's going to happen next.  What more can you ask from this show?

UPDATE: After listening to a podcast, apparently the tombstone reads that Jin died in the Oceanic 815 crash.  Maybe he is alive.  Maybe he's on the island somehow, still alive?  Thoughts?

* Honestly,  I doubt Jin's death had anything to do with Daniel Kim's DUI, but I do have to admit it's one of the most fascinating myths about how the writer's write.  It's like the smoke monster of Hollywood careers.

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krylyr
Mar. 14th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
You know, I never actually watched much of Alias. I'm not sure why. I've heard good things about it, although I know it kind of pulled an X-Files ending.

The Lost writers have stated the future we see will be the future that happens and there will not be any alternate realities. But with this show, who knows?

I'm guessing you're right about the Oceanic 6. Unless I'm wrong, and somehow Michael is counted (or Walt). Speaking of which, how can Ben tell Michael that Walt was safe? I thought Walt was with Michael. (Hopefully, more on this next week.)
garunya
Mar. 14th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
I read somewhere that Aaron wasn't considered one of the six... can't remember where though.
krylyr
Mar. 14th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
So who is #6 if it isn't Aaron? I'm leaning toward Aaron, myself, but I could be wrong. (It does, surprisingly, happen.)
(Anonymous)
Mar. 14th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
I don't have any theories, but like you I was deeply moved by the story with Sun and Jin, and very surprised and glad to see that they picked back up with Michael.

Jeff
jeffsoesbe
Mar. 14th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
Ever since I've gotten into writing, I like looking at LOST from the "writerly" POV: why do this? What does it add? What possibility creates more tension?

That's part of why the Jin flashback bugged me: It felt like it was just manipulation of the audience for the big end twist (it's in the past!) Later, I realized the clues were there: the old cell phone, the "year of the dragon" mention (2000 or 2012). And that's another "writerly" thing I like about the show: They pay attention to details.

I think that we can take Damon and Carlton at their word: there will not be alternate realities, the story is set, you're just getting the story in a different order than you usually do, and there's more to the story than you would think a "lost on an island" story would hold.

I think Ben (perhaps working with some group) faked the plane crash. We know Ben has access to a lot of money. So Ben's a bad guy. But, he's protecting the island and everyone on it. So, he's a good guy.

Similarly, the freighter people neutralized the poison gas. So, they're good guys. But, they want to seize and exploit the island. So, they're bad guys.

Whose side should we be on? Who knows? That ambiguity is one of the things I'm really enjoying about this season...

- yeff
krylyr
Mar. 14th, 2008 08:20 pm (UTC)
Ever since I've gotten into writing, I like looking at LOST from the "writerly" POV: why do this? What does it add? What possibility creates more tension?

That's part of why the Jin flashback bugged me: It felt like it was just manipulation of the audience for the big end twist (it's in the past!) Later, I realized the clues were there: the old cell phone, the "year of the dragon" mention (2000 or 2012). And that's another "writerly" thing I like about the show: They pay attention to details.


That's interesting...It did set up the Big Twist, as you say, but I think what it also did is set up a ton of tension for the show as a whole. We know one of two things happens now. 1) Jin dies on the island, or 2) it appears that Jin dies on the island to the Oceanic 6, but apparently he's really not dead. That provides a lot of tension. Also, even if he does actually die, and we knew that for sure after this episode (i.e., if the tombstone date had been different), it would bring a completely different kind of tension -- the "it's inevitable but how is it going to happen?" variety (which I'd argue is pretty much what this whole season is. We know people get off the island, but we don't know how).

The emotional hit I took during this episode also stuck with me. It was close to the level of Greatest Hits, I think.

I am totally there with you about the ambiguity of Ben and the Freighter Folk. I love that.
jeffsoesbe
Mar. 14th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
I think there's one more possibility: 3) Jin's not dead, he's on the island, the Oceanic Six know he was left behind and so could be dead or alive by now, but to the rest of the world he's dead (along with 318 of the Flight 815 passengers).

Tough tension there as well. Having the date of death be 9/22/04 works with one of my Rules of LOST: "The writers will always leave wiggle room". Any other date? No wiggle room.

And, "Jin might be alive" holds out the possibility of a "Jin reunited with his baby girl" scene in Season 5 or 6. And wouldn't that scene just be a heart-tugger for everyone?

I know I'd be getting misty-eyed, but now that I have kids those parent/child scenes always get me...

- yeff



Edited at 2008-03-14 08:38 pm (UTC)
krylyr
Mar. 14th, 2008 08:46 pm (UTC)
That *is* a possibility, I suppose. I'm just less sold on it because of the scene in the cemetery with Sun and Hurley. Sun seemed like she was talking to someone who had died, and Hurley saying "Let's go see Jin" seem odd coming from people who think he might still be alive.

That said, I would sob like a baby (in the best way possible) if we did get that scene in the next year or two. God, I love this show.
jeffsoesbe
Mar. 14th, 2008 10:48 pm (UTC)
I seem to think (but have not reviewed the dialogue to confirm) that when Hurley and Sun are talking they never actually *say* that he's dead.

Now, of course, they could be *assuming* he's dead, as you say above.

Remember that "wiggle room" rule. Definite wiggle room.

- yeff
garunya
Mar. 14th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
No reason to think Jin's dead unless they actually tell us so. We already know that the Oceanic Six are involved in a cover up that says they were the only survivors of the flight, and since Jin's tombstone has the date of the crash as his date of death...

I have no respect for Juliet. Sun's life could have been saved in other ways. That said, Jin's forgiveness was resolved a little too quickly... didn't quite seem believable (although did help build up to the twist, which itself was good.)
krylyr
Mar. 14th, 2008 10:05 pm (UTC)
Heh, a couple seasons ago, that could have been a year's worth of development all in itself. I suppose it did happen quickly, but I thought the flashback tied in somewhat nicely with the resolution, and it was still effective.

I liked what the EW columnist said about Juliet: What a bitch. Awesome!

The more I think about it, the more I think Jin is alive, but the others think he is dead because of something that happens in this season (i.e., Locke or Michael blow something up).
rufusthered
Mar. 16th, 2008 07:01 am (UTC)
I heard Anthony Michal Hall was going to be a guest star on this episode. Was that true?





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